Talk:Philip J. Fry

Name Citation

"...and was named for the Phillips head screwdriver.[citation needed]".

This is from the season 3 episode "The Luck of the Fryrish". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.8.85 (talk) 06:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I removed it all together, as it is very trivial. A real world reason for his name, however, would not be trivial, and would be notable. CTJF83 12:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Yancy

Calling his brother Yancy, Jr. is incorrect since, as his father explains, several generations of Frys have been named Yancy. Tad Lincoln (talk) 13:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Relatives

If you are all forgeting or have never seen the episode, when they warp back in time, Bender is misunderstud as a U.F.O and Dr.Zpoidberg the alein, also Fry finds his "grandfather" and accidently, well, kills him. Afterwards when Fry goes to tell him grandma her fiance is dead, she takes her home and ends up sleeping with her... making him his own grandfather, and thats why he didnt disappear when his grandpa died... so there should be another reletive in my opinion. (p.s also he did have a dad and grandma dont forget them) --65.25.17.117 (talk) 14:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)Emma

Generally we only want to include major relatives. Not ones that are only mentioned once or twice in the entire series. Plus, everyone has a dad (who is listed) and a grandma, and with no names, it's pretty generic to just say "grandma". CTJF83 17:10, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Grandma Mildred, I had a thought of adding her to love life, but iirc the beaurocrat lady isn't there. Too lazy to check though. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 18:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

In Time Keeps on Slippin' Fry marries Leela. The marriage lasts only a few seconds due to a time lapse. Nevertheless it was legal and divorce required a court decision. Should she be mentioned as his ex? 24.148.48.7 (talk) 00:38, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Fry as the product of incest

I don't think Fry qualifies as the offspring of an incestuous relationship as A, he is the grandchild, and B, it's usually not the idea that you're the product of your own incestuous relationship. His father yes, but not him. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 18:21, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Ya, kinda stupid to list him as incest. CTJF83 18:25, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I already removed the category from the Professor and Cubert. That was just silly. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 18:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Brooklyn as his home borough

Iirc, in the first episode, Fry said his old neighbourhood was by the Chrystler building (though he did have a house which you don't find in Midtown). Where did Brooklyn come from? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 18:23, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Good question, removed. CTJF83 18:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Wait, found it. In Luck of the Fryrish, Bender converts himself to a train of sorts and takes them to the Newkirk Ave. Subway stop, which is in Flatbush, Brooklyn. After they exit the station, he identifies that as his old neighbourhood. Remember though that both the Simpsons and Futurama don't show much concern for continuity, but this looks more definite. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 16:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

You're right on the continuity point. CTJF83 21:21, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you're both right. The house that's seen in Luck of the Fryish is seen in other episodes as well, including Game of Tones. Game of Tones also shows his _apartment_, which appears to be in a much more built-up area. So, I'm guessing that he grew up in Brooklyn, but his apartment as of 1999 was in Manhattan. 76.11.75.119 (talk) 04:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Phillip J. Fry

Phillip J Fry should be added to name of relatives after all they did a whole episode of him in luck of the fryish — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.29.23.166 (talk) 22:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Rename

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Fry (Futurama) Mike Cline (talk) 01:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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Philip J. Fry → Fry (Futurama) – WP:COMMONNAME referred to as "Fry" 99% of the time. Similar to Leela (Futurama) and Bender (Futurama) CTJF83 06:40, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Definitely more informative for readers everywhere. That's what matters, isn't it? Noetica^Tea? 07:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• Support. Agree with those above. Nearly always referred to as "Fry" and that's how most people will be searching for this article. Jenks24 (talk) 10:58, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• Support for consistency. Rennell435 (talk) 11:35, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• Support for consistency as well (though I personally think of him via his full name more than 1% of the time). DP76764 (Talk) 16:00, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Given that disambiguation is needed (which it is), I prefer natural disambiguators (in this case, the character's full name) to artificial parenthetical ones. Powers ^T 00:54, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Why do you say disambiguation is needed, Powers? I thought you only wanted disambiguation when there was uncertainty involving two or more Wikipedia articles, right? Are you being consistent? And why, in heaven's name, is "natural" disambiguation better here? Is it more helpful to more readers? Surely that is the criterion. (O sorry, I forgot. That isn't something you take seriously, as I now recall.) Noetica^Tea? 08:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation is needed because just "Fry" (the common name) could mean any of the things at the disambiguation page. What puzzles me is why you think "Fry (Futurama)" is more informative to readers. At least using the current title tells readers that the title is a name (versus, say, a generic verb or noun). Powers ^T 00:21, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll let you think about that a little longer, Powers.

Myself, I am puzzled by many people's attitude to "disambiguation". (What follows is rather free association, Powers. It is not directed at your specific stance here, but to the topic of "disambiguation" generally.) There is no other "Philip J. Fry" in a Wikipedia title, is there? (The nearest I can find is "Phillip D. Frye".) So it is typical at an RM like this to find no need for "disambiguation". Best to appeal, in my opinion, not to "disambiguation" but directly to the plain and obvious interest of readers. With "Fry (Futurama)", "Fry", whether a name or not, is instantly located for readers in Futurama, which is a very popular cartoon show around the world. Many readers will recognise it instantly. We cannot predict or cater for all epistemic situations readers may find themselves in, but we can optimise the chances of a meaningful recognisable title. How to do that is what we should discuss here. Purely theory-based appeal to "natural disambiguation" is not of practical use.

Noetica^Tea? 00:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of what you think of its practicality, policy explicitly favors natural disambiguation over parenthetical. I realize you're apparently not a fan of slavishly following policy where it doesn't suit what you feel to be higher priorities, but the current policy reflects the current consensus of editors' opinions on the topic, and it's one we should follow until that consensus changes. Powers ^T 01:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Noetica, of course the ambiguity of "Philip J. Fry" is not at issue here - clearly it's not ambiguous. The issue is here is which disambiguation of "Fry" -- "Philip J. Fry" or "Fry (Futurama)" -- serves our readers the best. In other words, which meets the WP:CRITERIA best? --Born2cycle (talk) 05:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support WP:COMMONNAME WP:consistency. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:50, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
• Comment IIRC, there's more than one Philip J. Fry in Futurama... (though this one is obviously primary) and there's definitely more than one Fry in Futurama (though this one is definitely primary for Futurama) 76.65.128.198 (talk) 12:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. He is Philip J. Fry to the Wall Street Journal. There is also an episode of the show entitled The Late Philip J. Fry. So I assume the target audience would recognize the character by that name. "When there is another term or more complete name (such as Heavy metal music instead of Heavy metal) that is equally clear and is unambiguous, that may be used," according to WP:NCDAB. There is a most unfortunate trend to add the name of a show or book to the end of the title for a character's article. This is what categories are for. It should be done only when no natural way to disambiguate from the primary topic exists. Kauffner (talk) 07:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Narrow-minded and unhelpful, to take such an approach. Vastly more readers will immediately understand Fry (Futurama) than Philip J. Fry. I am quite familiar with the show myself, but I had no idea what this article was about till I came to this RM. Do you want Leela (Futurama) moved also? Her full name is Turanga Leela.

Get some comprehension of how these things actually work for real readers, or stay out of RM discussions.

Noetica^Tea? 08:54, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

You're such a fan that you can rattle off Leela's family name, but you didn't know Philip J. Fry from a hole in the ground? i c. Kauffner (talk) 15:45, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

You have no right to dictate who can and cannot participate in discussions, Noetica. Powers ^T 00:20, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

I dictate nothing. I merely exhort Kauffner to get some competence where he lacks it. His last remark (above) shows that he doesn't understand the adventitious, chancy ways we become familiar with names and commit them to memory. In the case of Leela, I remember the full name because of its derivation. It is obviously common for the full "official" names of fanciful characters not to be known or remembered. Noetica^Tea? 00:40, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support as the more common form used. There is really no need to be rude to one another in this discussion as opinions can legitimately differ. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:28, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
• Support Ideally, the title of this article would be Fry, but that's ambiguous, and so requires disambiguation. Between Fry (Futurama) and Philip J. Fry the former seems to answer the WP:CRITERIA questions the best. It conveys the natural and most common name used to refer to this topic, "Fry", while the latter does not. The current title might easily be thought to refer to a real person, even to someone familiar with the character. The proposed title does not have this problem. --Born2cycle (talk) 05:13, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
  • We have no precedent for using titles to distinguish between fictional characters and real people. The article naming policy clearly favors natural disambiguation, where available, over parenthetical. Powers ^T 15:47, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
    • If the policy wording now clearly favors natural disambiguation over parenthetical, that's relatively new, and I disagree that that is an accurate reflection of community consensus. See Madonna (entertainer) and Cork (city), both of which have reasonable natural disambiguation alternatives, for typical examples that accurately reflect community consensus and preferences. --Born2cycle (talk) 19:21, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
      • Madonna's a border case, I think, but I don't know what natural disambiguator you think is available for Cork (city). Cork, Ireland is ambiguous, and Cork, Cork is silly. =) Powers ^T 00:25, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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Survived heart attack?

Shouldn't his wikipedia say that he survived a heart attack, since they did after all find it on his wikipedia site in episode 16 of season 6??

We don't list trivial events such as that, that are a throw away joke, and never mentioned again and don't affect anything. CTF83! 03:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 29 June 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Philip J. Fry. It's time somebody closes this hot potato, and I must confess the arguments by SummerPhDv2.0 and Cuchullain have tilted the delicate balance towards move. No such user (talk) 14:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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Fry (Futurama) → Philip J. Fry – It's pretty disappointing to see that the above move managed to succeed, considering how "Philip J. Fry" isn't even close to being an obscure name for the character - it gets 60~ hits a day and is used in the title of several episodes - and how "Philip J. Fry" is clearly the better WP:NATDAB alternative. Nohomersryan (talk) 06:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Eventhorizon51 ^(talk) 14:53, 6 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

• Support. This clearly should have stayed as Philip J. Fry. Orstio (talk) 12:48, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
• Good news, everybody! Support per nom. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 18:07, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
• Support, especially since a not-uncommon motif of the show is introducing P.J.F.'s relatives from the past, also named Fry.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  22:17, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. Sorry, but I agree with the outcome of the previous discussion. The common name is "Fry", and the character's full name is likely to be obscure to most casual readers. PC78 (talk) 23:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose – Keep longstanding title, which happens to be more WP:RECOGNIZABLE and WP:PRECISE by mentioning the Futurama context. Actually, "Fry (Futurama)" fulfills all the titling WP:CRITERIA of recognizability, naturalness, precision, conciseness and consistency; I fail to see how "Philip J. Fry" would score any better. — JFG ^talk 09:17, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per JFG (talk · contribs). I'm not a Futurama fan, but I know of the character known as "Fry" while "Philip J. Fry" has no meaning to me (outside this discussion). — fourthords | =Λ= | 20:13, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support - per natural disambiguation and because he's not the only Fry in the show. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 22:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. Wow, that old RM has a few names that take me back. Anyway, I agree with myself from five years ago. The current title hits more of our naming criteria – recognisability and consistency in particular. The proposed title only has naturalness going for it, which is not the be-all and end-all. People searching for this article are much more likely to know the show he's from than the full name of the character. Jenks24 (talk) 08:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose, common name and per Jenks24 and others. Fry (Futurama) makes a good and natural name for the page. Randy Kryn 22:23, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Our WP:NAMINGCRITERIA support this:
  • Recognizability is not for the average person walking down the street. Rather, it is the name "that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize." I am familiar with the show, having seen at least part of perhaps a dozen episodes: Not a huge fan, certainly not a binge-watcher, but I know the name.
  • Naturalness is the name "that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles." Check "What Links Here" if you doubt this.
  • Precision, the name that "unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects." As others have pointed out, there is more than one "Fry" on the show. (Not sure that I've personally seen this, but I don't doubt it, given the nature of the show.)
  • Conciseness, "The title is no longer than necessary to identify the article's subject and distinguish it from other subjects." This is a push. "Fry" certainly wouldn't do the job. "Phillip J. Fry" and "Fry (Futurama)" are both 14 characters.
  • Consistency "The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles." As an experiment, I tried to think of fictional characters who are probably best known by just their first (or last) name. All of them came up as "First Last", rather than "First (Story)": Linus van Pelt, Diana Prince, Arthur Dent, Phoebe Buffay, Diane Chambers, etc. These articles are not at Linus (Peanuts), Diana (Wonder Woman), Dent (Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy), Phoebe (Friends), Diane (Cheers). - SummerPhD^v2.0 12:18, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support. Among the first 20 hits on Highbeam for "Fry Futurama", there are three for "Philip J. Fry" and one is for "Philip Fry." So I get the sense that the full name is not completely unknown. Compare that to Leela Futurama. She is just "Leela" in every single hit -- never "Turanga Leela". Gulangyu (talk) 16:13, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per Jenks24. SSTflyer 07:29, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support – Characters' full names should be used in their articles. 2601:8C:4001:DCF4:E549:4A67:EB24:FA15 (talk) 02:49, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support as a natural, recognizable, and concise name for the article over one with disambiguation. "Philip J. Fry" is certainly not obscure, especially not to the level of "Bender Rodriguez" or "Turange Leela". Also, poor Yancy Fry is excluded by the current title. (As an aside, it's interesting to note a similar request - to move Glenn Quagmire to Quagmire (Family Guy - failed.) MelanieLamont (talk) 21:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support. The character's full name is well established in sources, enough to qualify as WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. In general I think the proposed title better fits the WP:NAMINGCRITERIA:

• Recognizability: It's "a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognize." "Philip J. Fry" is widely used in sources and the show itself. The parenthetical (Futurama) makes the present title more recognizable, but it's not a wide margin - both options include the character's most common name, "Fry". People familiar with Futurama are likely to recognize either.
• Naturalness: Clearly the proposed title is more natural; the present title is not natural. This is significant in that in general natural disambiguation is preferable to a parenthetical where it's available.
• Precision: Both titles are equally precise.
• Conciseness: Both options are about equally concise; "Philip J. Fry" shaves off one character, so Team Philip gets the edge.
• Consistency: Both natural disambiguation and parenthetical disambiguation are used for TV characters, including Futurama characters: cf Leela (Futurama), Bender (Futurama), Fat Tony (The Simpsons), but Amy Wong, Moe Szyslak, Cleveland Brown, etc. In addition to the Glenn Quagmire RM above, I'll also cite the precedent of the RM at the considerably less recognizable title Apu Nahasapeemapetilon; if "Nahasapeemapetilon" is suitable natural disambiguation, then "Philip J." certainly is, considering that it's used much more widely in its show.

--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:13, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

• Support on the basis of the solid rationales and precedents already listed above by Cúchullain, SummerPhD, et al. ╠╣uw [talk] 19:32, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
• Relisting comment: Many good points have been brought up by both the support and opposition and it looks like this is probably going to be closed with no consensus. With this said, votes like WP:PERX aren't very useful, so during the relisting please make sure to specify policy based rationale behind the !votes. Anarchyte (work | talk) 11:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support per SMcCandlish, since he's not the only "Fry" on Futurama. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:51, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
• Support per WP:NATURAL and it is widely used for the character. ✉cookiemonster✉ ^𝚨755𝛀 19:32, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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how did Fry Sr die.

This is a question because how did he die. Was it when Fry got frozen or before when he delivered the pizza to the cryogenics lab? Kylonnie (talk) 21:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Sherri Fry

It's never stated anywhere in any kind of canon that Fry's mother was named Sherri, so why is it listed as Sherri Fry as being his mother? It should just be Mrs. Fry since we do not know her ACTUAL name

 Fixed EvergreenFir (talk) 04:48, 29 September 2017 (UTC)